江南和下沙都存在地基问题，地面下沉，浅表流沙，在这样地质条件下建设大量房屋，不出10年，问题大量涌现，现在下沙大面积低高度的厂房普遍出现问题，更何况基础面积很小，高度高得多得住房，而且住房大量密集建造。可悲啊，政府为了短期利益，将来结果很可怕。 不过10多年以后，现在的决策者都退休或出国了，谁来承担这责任呢，只有现在买这些区域住房的人们。 西面是景区，东面南面是江，杭州惟有向北面和东北面发展。才是正解。

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以下是引用同行在2004-5-31 17:00:32的发言： 据说现在有些小区出现了一个新行当，每天晚上给空关房开灯，关灯，营造楼盘入住率假象，制造虚幻的人气。呵呵。 在钱塘江沿岸发展本来就不科学，为什么钱塘江边几百年来都没有形成象广州、上海或纽约这样跨江的城市？这是因为钱塘江本身是条涌潮江，不是条航运江，钱塘江道到目前还不稳定，江边造房子今后的命运很可能是坍塌。那座电信大楼没竣工就倾斜了。防洪大堤看似坚固，其实锁不足江道的变迁，流沙的力量是很大的，上海地铁4号线事故就可以说明这点。XDSL让我大长见识，谢谢。 江北江南都不是春天啊。

In archeology, there is famous theory about civilization, namely, the [U]picking order theroy[/U]. It is to despcribe that our ancestors generally would find the best and most welcomed environment for living, like birds, picking the best fruit from the ample choices by seasons. The early civilization and our early ancestors generally thrived in these areas, where had plenty food ( fish, animals and plants), resources ( forests and woods for fire and shelters, ample water, rich soils ), stable geogrphical condition ( warm weather, no dramatic change of temperature between day and evening, no windy weather, no major earth quak, no threat of sudden change of nature ( draught, flood or salty tidal waves). And the civilization spread to the other regionsbecause of populations, wars and competition for the resources among the tribes and members of families. By this theory, it is the reaon that we find many early civilizations in west of Hangzhou and strips of the lands that is close to south of sao xing, zhejiang. Today, the west of Hangzhou and the wet lands remain the best areas for human livings. you can visually and phsycally experience that, when go to these ecological balanced regions. 10,000 years ago, the Yangtz river, and the other major rivers on earth were not stable, the tai hu of jiangsu province, the Wu Hang was an enormuse lake ( now the areas are comprise of thousands of small lakes and west lands. The west lake was part of the young and unstable qian river system. No wonder the human would avoid that place( you can go there to expreince that in a windy evening or in a winter, to imagine how harsh it would be !) However, the Africa was the best place and the origins of human beings, the ancent Engypt, the Arabian Penisula and the regions along the mid sections of Yellow River were the best living places for mankind. Now, you no longer see that. Let's protect the west part of Hangzhou, build less housing projects there!

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-6-1 9:01:59编辑过]

move it up .

ding!

gang!

big-bang

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以下是引用ht007在2004-6-1 8:59:54的发言： In archeology, there is famous theory about civilization, namely, the [U]picking order theroy[/U]. It is to despcribe that our ancestors generally would find the best and most welcomed environment for living, like birds, picking the best fruit from the ample choices by seasons. The early civilization and our early ancestors generally thrived in these areas, where had plenty food ( fish, animals and plants), resources ( forests and woods for fire and shelters, ample water, rich soils ), stable geogrphical condition ( warm weather, no dramatic change of temperature between day and evening, no windy weather, no major earth quak, no threat of sudden change of nature ( draught, flood or salty tidal waves). And the civilization spread to the other regionsbecause of populations, wars and competition for the resources among the tribes and members of families. By this theory, it is the reaon that we find many early civilizations in west of Hangzhou and strips of the lands that is close to south of sao xing, zhejiang. Today, the west of Hangzhou and the wet lands remain the best areas for human livings. you can visually and phsycally experience that, when go to these ecological balanced regions. 10,000 years ago, the Yangtz river, and the other major rivers on earth were not stable, the tai hu of jiangsu province, the Wu Hang was an enormuse lake ( now the areas are comprise of thousands of small lakes and west lands. The west lake was part of the young and unstable qian river system. No wonder the human would avoid that place( you can go there to expreince that in a windy evening or in a winter, to imagine how harsh it would be !) However, the Africa was the best place and the origins of human beings, the ancent Engypt, the Arabian Penisula and the regions along the mid sections of Yellow River were the best living places for mankind. Now, you no longer see that. Let's protect the west part of Hangzhou, build less housing projects there!

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try to do : 在考古学上，有一个重要的有关文明社会的理论，名为：采摘顺序论。该理论描述了我们的先民通常会寻找最受欢迎的环境居住的。好比鸟类，在各个季节，从丰富的选择中采摘最好的果实。 早期的文明社会和我们的先民通常会兴旺发达在这些有着丰富的食物（鱼、动物和植物）、资源（用于生火和掩蔽的森林、丰富的水资源和肥沃的土壤）和稳定的地质条件（温暖的气候、昼夜没有太大的温度变化、没有狂风、没有地震），没有突变的自然现象（强气流、洪水或者盐潮））的区域。 文明社会流传到其他的区域是因为人口、战争和在部族和家庭成员之间的资源的竞争。 根据这个理论，我们可以找到早期的在杭州西部和陆地带的文明社会之所以靠近萧山南部的原因。今天，杭州西部的湿地依然是人们生存的最好的地带。当身处于这生态平衡的地方，你可以真实地体会到这一点的。

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以下是引用xdsl在2004-5-31 16:39:59的发言： 在钱塘江沿岸发展本来就不科学，为什么钱塘江边几百年来都没有形成象广州、上海或纽约这样跨江的城市？这是因为钱塘江本身是条涌潮江，不是条航运江，钱塘江道到目前还不稳定，江边造房子今后的命运很可能是坍塌。那座电信大楼没竣工就倾斜了。防洪大堤看似坚固，其实锁不足江道的变迁，流沙的力量是很大的，上海地铁4号线事故就可以说明这点。

说得很不错，ＷＧＰ只是要政绩，为人民服务，那是标语，何必当真

楼主大面积裂缝这样的说法就夸大了吧，新闻看过，房屋质量是有问题，主要是地面有裂缝，但是还没有到大面积的地步；墙体有数处“空谷”。 第二天1818黄金眼还披露闻堰一幢92年建造的商住楼出现外墙瓷砖脱落、内部出现大面积的裂缝，顶楼的住户只要长时间下雨，就会出现渗漏现象。其实这是明显的房屋质量问题，早在92年建成后就发现了，但是到现在也没有处理。

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以下是引用xiaoyu863在2004-5-31 15:28:45的发言： 给个头球先。南岸将是第一块崩溃的堤坝，看看那里可怜的入住率吧。据说现在有些小区出现了一个新行当，每天晚上给空关房开灯，关灯，营造楼盘入住率假象，制造虚幻的人气。

绝

电视新闻开始报道房地产纠纷现在多了很多，说明什么？

听说新房有点裂纹也算正常。请专业人士从专业的角度来分析问题。

他们说，开始几年总有些沉降，过几年沉降到位了就好了。

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以下是引用同同在2004-6-1 16:55:28的发言： 电视新闻开始报道房地产纠纷现在多了很多，说明什么？

因为媒体总是落井下石。

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以下是引用潜水员在2004-6-1 16:15:06的发言：

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以下是引用ht007在2004-6-1 8:59:54的发言： In archeology, there is famous theory about civilization, namely, the [U]picking order theroy[/U]. It is to despcribe that our ancestors generally would find the best and most welcomed environment for living, like birds, picking the best fruit from the ample choices by seasons. The early civilization and our early ancestors generally thrived in these areas, where had plenty food ( fish, animals and plants), resources ( forests and woods for fire and shelters, ample water, rich soils ), stable geogrphical condition ( warm weather, no dramatic change of temperature between day and evening, no windy weather, no major earth quak, no threat of sudden change of nature ( draught, flood or salty tidal waves). And the civilization spread to the other regionsbecause of populations, wars and competition for the resources among the tribes and members of families. By this theory, it is the reaon that we find many early civilizations in west of Hangzhou and strips of the lands that is close to south of sao xing, zhejiang. Today, the west of Hangzhou and the wet lands remain the best areas for human livings. you can visually and phsycally experience that, when go to these ecological balanced regions. 10,000 years ago, the Yangtz river, and the other major rivers on earth were not stable, the tai hu of jiangsu province, the Wu Hang was an enormuse lake ( now the areas are comprise of thousands of small lakes and west lands. The west lake was part of the young and unstable qian river system. No wonder the human would avoid that place( you can go there to expreince that in a windy evening or in a winter, to imagine how harsh it would be !) However, the Africa was the best place and the origins of human beings, the ancent Engypt, the Arabian Penisula and the regions along the mid sections of Yellow River were the best living places for mankind. Now, you no longer see that. Let's protect the west part of Hangzhou, build less housing projects there!

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-6-1 9:01:59编辑过]

try to do : 在考古学上，有一个重要的有关文明社会的理论，名为：采摘顺序论。该理论描述了我们的先民通常会寻找最受欢迎的环境居住的。好比鸟类，在各个季节，从丰富的选择中采摘最好的果实。 早期的文明社会和我们的先民通常会兴旺发达在这些有着丰富的食物（鱼、动物和植物）、资源（用于生火和掩蔽的森林、丰富的水资源和肥沃的土壤）和稳定的地质条件（温暖的气候、昼夜没有太大的温度变化、没有狂风、没有地震），没有突变的自然现象（强气流、洪水或者盐潮））的区域。 文明社会流传到其他的区域是因为人口、战争和在部族和家庭成员之间的资源的竞争。 根据这个理论，我们可以在杭州西部 and 以靠近绍兴南部的地带找到早期的文明社会之遗址的原因。今天，杭州西部的湿地依然是人们生存的最好的地带。当身处于这生态平衡的地方，你可以真实地体会到这一点的。

big thanks, and i made one correction above

why is it quiet?

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以下是引用ht007在2004-6-2 12:11:40的发言： why is it quiet?

because we are tied with your unnecessary and overelaborate details

少来点鸟语！！

住杭州，最好住江南！

我们的国家商人为何不讲诚信，就是政府不确定因素太多了，大家还是捞一票就走吧。 不要幻想做什么百年企业

[ [/quote]古代杭州的先民没有选择南岸作为居住地，是有其深奥的道理的 不只是这样，人类自古以来选择居住地也是一个自然选择的过程

翻译太直接，带有明显的英语式的汉语，不符合中国人习惯。 to: ht007 ,你从那里摘录到这段精辟的考古学定义的？个人以为，这并不是什么pick order ,而是经过自然选择的结果，否则，在一些地方，是不适合人类居住的，但是也存在人类印记，比如爱基斯磨人（Eskimo ）。是人类不断适应自然的过程。