听了7.17三方谈话内容后……

lin_ns

<p>花了2个多小时，终于听完7.17三方会谈实况录音，对于KFS避重就轻、盛势临人的态度，我无比的愤怒，真想把TMD那个什么陈经理、还有那个工程部的什么经理拖出去痛打一顿。<br/>我认同接下来的维权思路是，能解决一个问题先解决一个问题，双方逐渐拉近距离。</p><p>1、能整改、优化的问题先整改、优化（书面限时完成）</p><p>2、不能更改但业主可以谅解的问题，就不再追究</p><p>3、不能整改开发商愿意协商赔偿的问题，协商赔偿</p><p>4、第3点协商不定的问题、其他开发商不承认违反合同的问题和因开发商违约、整改导致延期交房的问题，提起诉讼、要求仲裁</p><p>5、集体收房</p><p>最终呼吁：各位业主团结一致，坚持到底，我们的正当权益决不允许任何人的任意践踏！！！</p>[em17][em17][em17][em17][em17][em17][em17][em17][em17][em17]

peterlee

为什么现场总是那么冷冷清清，要是像上个月一样，有那么多工人赶工就不会现在这样连一条路都没人修了，赶工的后患无穷亚

f1982

同意楼主意见

abce213

<p>听完7.17三方会谈实况录音，对于建设局的一位代表说的,他们没有行政不作为和失职观点是不能接收的,我也很疑惑,按照<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><strong>中华人民共和国建筑法[</strong><font color="#808080" size="2">自<span lang="EN-US">1998</span>年<span lang="EN-US">3</span>月<span lang="EN-US">1</span>日起施行]</font></span><strong>第一章　总　则</strong></span><span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>&nbsp;&nbsp;</strong></font></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">第六条</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp; </font></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">国务院建设行政主管部门对全国的建筑活动实施统一监督管理。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#718;&#805;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#718;&#805;;">第六十一条　交付竣工验收的建筑工程，必须符合规定的建筑工程质量标准，有完整的工程技术经济资料和经签署的工程保修书，并具备国家规定的其他竣工条件。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &#718;&#805;;"><font face="Times New Roman">
                        </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#718;&#805;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#718;&#805;;">建筑工程竣工验收合格后，方可交付使用；未经验收或者验收不合格的，不得交付使用。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &#718;&#805;;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#718;&#805;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#718;&#805;;">第七十九条　负责颁发建筑工程施工许可证的部门及其工作人员对不符合施工条件的建筑工程颁发施工许可证的，负责工程质量监督检查或者竣工验收的部门及其工作人员对不合格的建筑工程出具质量合格文件或者按合格工程验收的，由上级机关责令改正，对责任人员给予行政处分；构成犯罪的，依法追究刑事责任；造成损失的，由该部门在担相应在的赔偿责任。<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><strong>浙江省房地产开发管理条例</strong></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">（１９９３年９月３０日浙江省第八届人民代表大会常务委员</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">
                        </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">会公告</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">?</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">第９号公布</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"> 1997</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">年</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">7</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">月</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">14</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">日浙江省第八届人民代表大会常务委员会</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">?</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">公告第</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">65</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">号</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">
                        </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">公布对第四十五条第一款第四十九条</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">
                        </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">进行修订）</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span></span><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">第五章</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">
                                </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">房地产开发管理</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span></span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">第三十条</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">
                        </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">房地产企业开发的商品房，经建设部门会同有关部门验收合格后，方可依法出售、出租。<font size="3">作为建设行政主管对建设项目的质量和项目内容以及完整性有不可推卸的监管之责.我建议咨询专业人士,把它弄清楚,别让他们耍了.</font></span></span></p><p>对KFS盛势临人,避重就轻、推三阻四,毫无诚意,毫无诚信的态度和做法，我也感到无比的气愤</p>

太阳国际公寓业主

<p>1、明明是确定周一下午两点集体去滨江区建设局，然后要求建设局针对他们自己的行政不作为起诉给予解答的，却被建设局安排到和开发商协商，建设局什么意思？不就是转移视线吗？？？！！！</p><p>2、回答行政不作为就这么简单吗？难道建设局不能给予书面解答吗？这个是另外层面的不作为，忽悠我们啊！我们要正式向上面举报反映！</p><p>3、这么大的场面，建设局和开发商都去的什么人？？小罗罗啊！！！又是忽悠，说话不算数的人！！！这个是太阳国际故意分化我们的伎俩，想打击我们的斗志！</p><p>4、可能让某些人感觉到一点小小的希望和甜头，但我们是乞丐吗？？？人是要有骨气的，要有原则的，我们却被开发商的气泡和建设局的手段给彻底忽悠了！！！！</p><p>同志们，我们的太阳国际怎么这么狡猾！！！</p><p>我们难道是这么容易被欺负的吗？？？</p>

peterlee

时间到了，有没有新的消息呀，

穷追不舍

<p>刚刚接到杭州市环保局一位姓史的先生来电，就太阳国际公寓2＃楼大堂中央空调室外机投诉进行口头回答，答复如下：</p><p>1、该部分为新增部分，环评还没有做好，审批更谈不上；</p><p>2、安装好后，他们要继续进行监测，如不符合要求，开发商必须将其撤除；</p><p>3、开发商在那到原项目环评批复时保证要与业主协商好。</p><p>听完后我认为环保部门还是不负责任，为什么关系到双方的问题，只听KFS的保证就可以了，明明新增环评还没有送审，仅仅依靠KFS的保证就把整个项目的审批通过了，以致KFS现在可以进行所谓的“按期交房”。</p>

穷追不舍

强烈建议是否立即聘请律师与KFS及有关部门进行交涉，既然浙江省不同意报道房产纠纷事情，是否可以向中央电视台焦点访谈、社会调查等栏目反映，也可以杀杀杭州这种粉饰太平的房产市场。

peterlee

外面看好像真的是没什么动静，不知道下午又会怎么样。

minini

<p>1、在本论坛上出现一名自称是建筑设计院的人，说愿意帮助业主解释，并陪同看房。我认为这是在转移视线，将集体作战转为单兵作战，对太阳国际有利。</p><p>2、发来短信，称已有大部分业主收房，这象是在忽悠。</p><p>支持LZ，团结到底。</p>

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-7-19 15:13:11编辑过]

reflection

还有多少人没收房呀...偶还在等组织消息呢

yunyueer

等组织消息？谁还在组织啊？

reflection

<p>看来没下文了...</p><p>看来只能等8月20号去收了.</p>