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[转帖《物权法》参阅材料之二]住房70年后何去何从?《物权法》有助解决该问题

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-26 18:14 | 显示全部楼层
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">四大疑问</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt;"><p></p></span></b></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 39pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list 39.0pt;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><font face="Times New Roman">1.<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><font size="3">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></span></font></span></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">大限为何定为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年?</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US"></span></b></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  专家称满足两代人的居住要求</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  </span><chsdate year="1990" month="5" day="19" islunardate="False" isrocdate="False" wst="on"></chsdate><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">1990</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">5</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">月</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">19</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">日</span><chsdate></chsdate><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">,国务院《中华人民共和国城镇国有土地使用权出让和转让暂行条例》正式实施,其中规定,我国居住用地的使用年限定为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">“其实,</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年正好可以满足两代人的居住。比如一个人在他成年以后</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">(</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">比如</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">:25</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">岁</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">)</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">,购买住宅地产,那么按照平均的寿命计算,房子大约可以满足两代人居住。由于当时我国民用住宅主要是砖混结构,从房屋的使用寿命上也是合适的”。黄穗诚说。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></span></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 39pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list 39.0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">2.<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><font size="3">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></span></span></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US">70</span></b></font><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年期限是长是短?</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US"></span></b></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  市民看法不一,有人主张延至</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">100</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  据悉,居住用地</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年大限是从开发商拿到土地使用权证算起,项目从开发到销售通常会有好几年的时间,这意味着住宅的土地使用年限减少了。那么,这一期限是长是短呢?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  不少市民认为,“</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年大限”对于他们甚至他们的孩子来说,都是很遥远的一件事情。特别是年轻的业主们,他们认为现在买房顶多只考虑住二三十年,</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年以后应该由后辈自己来考虑。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">也有市民认为,</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年期限过短,不利于保护私人财产及提高房屋建筑水准。有市民表示,现代人的寿命延长了,期限也应该延长。有人主张延长为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">100</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年,还有人主张取消出让年限的规定,成为永久性权利。</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 39pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list 39.0pt;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><font face="Times New Roman">3.<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><font size="3">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></span></font></span></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">房子能“活”</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">岁吗?</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US"></span></b></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  专家称目前我国房屋的“报废年限”为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">50</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  按照我国目前房屋建设的质量,居住的房屋一般使用年限能达到</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年吗?</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年后的房子还能使用吗?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  华南理工大学建筑学院教授王祖华介绍,按目前我国的实际情况,现在房屋一般按照</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">50</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年的安全标准进行建设,各项技术指标和房屋造价等都是参照这个年限进行设计建设的。也就是说,</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">50</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年类似于是房屋的“报废年限”。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  对于建设使用了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">50</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年的房屋,王祖华表示,尽管目前没有强制的房屋报废机制,但是一旦进行危房评估,使用年限是一个主要的评估指标。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">不过,王祖华也表示,随着国家经济的不断发展,房屋建设的用料、造价等方面标准也不断提高,诸如在</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">2000</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年以前,我国的房屋一般都以</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">30</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年为建设标准,但现在已经提高到</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">50</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年,以后随着经济的增长和人民生活水平的提高,这个建设使用年限还可能再提高。</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 39pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 39.0pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">4.<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><font size="3">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></span></span></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US">70</span></b></font><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年后如何处理住房?</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-US"></span></b></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  市民表示将视具体情况来处理</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  据悉,根据《物权法》草案的规定,建设用地使用权期满前,建设用地使用权人可以申请续期,除因公共利益需要收回该土地的外,出让人应当同意。这就意味着房屋所有权人对房屋所占土地的使用权可以超过</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">  那么如果房屋到了“</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年大限”之后,市民将会如何处理呢?记者随机采访了多位市民,市民多表示是否继续住将视具体情况而定。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">市民<personname wst="on" productid="黄"></personname>黄<personname></personname>先生表示,如果房屋地段好,自己住着舒服,将很乐意交一笔续期出让金;但是如果出让金太高,就会考虑重新买房。另一位市民<personname wst="on" productid="黎"></personname>黎<personname></personname>小姐则认为,如果房子使用了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">70</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">年也差不多成危房了,重新买房的可能性会大些。 </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 220.5pt; mso-char-indent-count: 21.0;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">(作者:肖小冰 李拉)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p><p></p>
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发表于 2006-8-26 19:32 | 显示全部楼层
<font face="黑体" size="5">还是土地私有化好,没有这么多的烦恼,花一笔钱,永远是你的.</font>
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发表于 2006-8-27 10:48 | 显示全部楼层
<p>1)70年据说是小平同志定的,参照了他一句话,说“政策50年不变”,应用到房子上,就是“产权70年不变了”。</p><p>2)70年后再交土地出让金就可以继续使用房屋,早就料到了。所以,现在的产权时间的长短实际上是没有意义的。</p>
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