ZT:美国学者评出19,20世紀最有害的十本書

天台居士 · 发表于 2005-9-17 00:06

出去也许是对的,眼不见,心不烦.留下也是对的,与其魂牵梦系,不如投身其中.但你所选的,便是你的命运.

房客甲 · 发表于 2005-9-17 00:13

我总在想,让自己的亲戚中有一人出去.现在他可能在外会吃点苦,过的没有国内好.不过没关系,大家帮点.然后其它人,努力去建设这个国家,把它向正常的方向发展.一旦不对劲了,利用那种关系,全跑了,可能只是一种想像,不过看历史,看那些刚解放时,满情热情回国建设的人们,他们的命运太可怜了.

英雄无悔 · 发表于 2005-9-17 00:16

我们的国家在望好的方面发展

房客甲 · 发表于 2005-9-17 00:18

可变因素太多了.当这个国家还是人治大与法治,就没有到稳定的那一步.

英雄无悔 · 发表于 2005-9-17 00:19

所有的国家都是如此.

房客甲 · 发表于 2005-9-17 00:28

也对.....也不对在美国,你可能会遇上打劫的,被开枪打死,可能会遇上洪水,被水淹死,自己本事太差,联救济金都得不到,被冻死饿死,不过你绝不会因为你的信仰,种族,言论,以及ZF的黑暗,无能.暴虐,腐败而死.

天台居士 · 发表于 2005-9-17 01:42

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用英雄无悔在2005-9-17 0:19:44的发言：
所有的国家都是如此.</DIV>

并不认为是这样,有的国家也有个别滥用职权的,但总的来说是法大于权.
有的国家有个别包青天,但总的来说权大于法.
把别人涂黑并不代表我们进步.
国家的法制化是很大的工作,但最重要的是全民法制观念.人人有守法的意识,而且不会对司法体系失望是最重要的.

hahaxixi · 发表于 2005-9-17 01:59

司法信任比制定法律重要得多，建立起来也艰难得多。回头看，还是有安慰的。法制意识融入一个民族的血脉里去，必有个漫长的过程。

hahaxixi · 发表于 2005-9-17 02:01

在澳大利亚，一个中国导游得意地告诉我，鬼佬的脑袋是方的，我们是圆的当时嘿嘿一笑，事后想想，悲哀的是我们。

房客甲 · 发表于 2005-9-17 02:08

天佑中国。

遠方的星 · 发表于 2005-9-17 08:31

回想起四年前9.11是个让人们难以忘怀非常痛苦的日子, 在纽約世贸上班的5000名精英一瞬间就消失了. 他们的罹难, 不仅仅是美国的不幸和损失, 也是全世界的不幸和损失. 因我们每个人都知道, 能在双塔中工作的绝大多数是全球最优秀的精英. (当然其中也有中国人).他们对社会及对人类的贡献是不可抹灭的. 为此我们深感惋惜和悲痛. 造就这些优良的人材需要多少心血.时间.精力和金钱? 在这世界上有多少人会去想我的存在给社会带来多少贡献?(不论大小)
各位是否想过? 中国有5000年的悠久历史. 美国才200年. 为何会有那么大的差异. 不错! 我们每个中国人都深感自豪因为我们有悠久的文化. 但优秀的文化要保持并发扬光大. 并不是纸上谈兵而已. 当务之急必须痛改前非把目前的社会的不良作风得到徹底解决和改进. 只有这样中国才会有希望!!!才有可能真正强盛!!! 
当然每个国家都有它的利弊. 要真正了解"好"与"坏", 必需深入其境. 用客观的态度来看世态. 否则答案不会正确......我非常希望世界能多些和平! 少些纷争!

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-9-17 13:57:56编辑过]

遠方的星 · 发表于 2005-9-17 08:50

I would like to point out a few fallacies of the above mentioned essay. first of all, if history hasn't taught you this lesson, i'm teaching it to you now. any sort of social regression and problems exist is never due to one single source. the nature of humanity and society is that because we're social creatures our actions affects others by intention or not. therefore, in order to dissect where the problem lies, one would have to refer to historical context. as some of you may be aware, the method to suppress any revolution or change in any political structure is to suppress the voice of intellect and reason. a society is only as strong as its public, and the strength of the public is determined by its civility and knowledge. while those books mentioned in the previous essay did have a negative effect on the development of civilization, it was the will of humanity that wield the fate of what it is. knowledge by themselves have no alignment, it is the will of humanity that determines how knowledge will be applied. secondly, cultural influence is inseperable. there is influence of indian, african, central asian, islamic culture interwoven into chinese culture. a "pure" race or culture is nothing but a social construct. borders and nations are also social constructs. and following the path of blind nationalism that everything is "chinese" must stay "pure chinese" is absurd. social progression happens through the interexchange of information and arts across different civilizations. the reason why china lost it's position as a leading civilization in the world was due to isolationism perpetuated by the qing regime. there is no need to differentiate what is chinese and what is not. one should instead conduct one's own action in a matter to benefit oneself and the community he lives in. actions should be conducted out of necessity rather than emotional reaction. denying the knowledge written in those books will only perpetuate arrogance and self-righteousness which will eventually lead to the downfall of civil progress. so if you really love china, educate yourself and those around you. that is the first step in building an enlightened and educated community.

英雄无悔 · 发表于 2005-9-17 22:55

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用房客甲在2005-9-17 0:28:15的发言：

也对.....也不对
在美国,你可能会遇上打劫的,被开枪打死,可能会遇上洪水,被水淹死,自己本事太差,联救济金都得不到,被冻死饿死,不过你绝不会因为你的信仰,种族,言论,以及ZF的黑暗,无能.暴虐,腐败而死.</DIV>

有哪个国家的种族歧视比美国更强？
美国ＺＦ不黑吗？

房客甲 · 发表于 2005-9-17 23:26

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用远方的星在2005-9-17 8:50:40的发言：
I would like to point out a few fallacies of the above mentioned essay. first of all, if history hasn't taught you this lesson, i'm teaching it to you now. any sort of social regression and problems exist is never due to one single source. the nature of humanity and society is that because we're social creatures our actions affects others by intention or not. therefore, in order to dissect where the problem lies, one would have to refer to historical context. as some of you may be aware, the method to suppress any revolution or change in any political structure is to suppress the voice of intellect and reason. a society is only as strong as its public, and the strength of the public is determined by its civility and knowledge. while those books mentioned in the previous essay did have a negative effect on the development of civilization, it was the will of humanity that wield the fate of what it is. knowledge by themselves have no alignment, it is the will of humanity that determines how knowledge will be applied. secondly, cultural influence is inseperable. there is influence of indian, african, central asian, islamic culture interwoven into chinese culture. a "pure" race or culture is nothing but a social construct. borders and nations are also social constructs. and following the path of blind nationalism that everything is "chinese" must stay "pure chinese" is absurd. social progression happens through the interexchange of information and arts across different civilizations. the reason why china lost it's position as a leading civilization in the world was due to isolationism perpetuated by the qing regime. there is no need to differentiate what is chinese and what is not. one should instead conduct one's own action in a matter to benefit oneself and the community he lives in. actions should be conducted out of necessity rather than emotional reaction. denying the knowledge written in those books will only perpetuate arrogance and self-righteousness which will eventually lead to the downfall of civil progress. so if you really love china, educate yourself and those around you. that is the first step in building an enlightened and educated community. </DIV>

very nice to read this kind of real English article,it's very useful for us to improve English read & write level.

英雄无悔 · 发表于 2005-9-17 23:28

呵呵，我的对话不是问题，就是写不行，单词会说但已经忘记怎么拼了[em04]

房客甲 · 发表于 2005-9-17 23:31

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用英雄无悔在2005-9-17 22:55:52的发言：


有哪个国家的种族歧视比美国更强？
美国ＺＦ不黑吗？</DIV>
想一想,我们是如何看待非洲人的?你我骨子里的大汉意识有多少??
作为一个问题,大家探讨下.
美国人如果有对中国人存在歧视,也往往是我们先自辱而人后辱之.
我是从整体上说的,对个案,说谁谁谁看不起我们了,令当另论.

chestnut · 发表于 2005-9-17 23:32

又成ENGLISH CORNER 了

英雄无悔 · 发表于 2005-9-17 23:33

我看大多数国人非但不会歧视老外（即使是黑人），反而都有盲目崇拜，羡慕的心理

房客甲 · 发表于 2005-9-17 23:34

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用英雄无悔在2005-9-17 23:28:40的发言：
呵呵，我的对话不是问题，就是写不行，单词会说但已经忘记怎么拼了[em04]</DIV>

我看与写没问题,是正常工作必须要做的,不过说与听要次点.准备与老大去谈谈,想参加专业的培训.

钱塘人氏 · 发表于 2005-9-17 23:35

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用吴越清风在2005-9-16 11:05:37的发言：
躲进云顶成一统，管他冬夏与春秋。</DIV>

风声雨声读书声，声声入耳；家事国事天下事，事事关心。
一句老话而已。[em05][em05][em01][em01]

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